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00:42
October 15, 2009


maypole

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I made a study and made some test to be able to reprogram the control unit of the gas in my car.
of course cable is not for sale to the public but are authorized installers ...
the system is "sly injection" of gas and @ of Rovigo, I found someone on ebay selling a kit to program the majority of units on the market (BRC, landi, lovato ..), but obviously not mine
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http://cgi.ebay.it/AUTOGAS-LPG 45ec3f0b3b ... ..
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the control units of the gas using the same standard machines until 2005/2006ciso9141
http://www.onboarddiagnostics ... ... 03.htm # ISO
which has 2 wires:
K-way line on which the signals pass tx and rx
The line to wake up the unit (optional)
where the state 0 and 1 is Vbatteria and gnd, it has 10.4kHz
if you look on google of ISO9141 will be out of everything.

Egas software uses only the serial port, then the interface cable will convert a signal from RS232 (9 pin) to K / L line
Tx and Rx data to go in the K line and the line L will have to be driven by some fucking remaining pins among others.
a classical scheme used for this application is the one on this link:
http://hem.passagen.se/tomasf/obd2/
is rudimentary and completely non-standard rs232 but it should work:
tx that drives the K-line x-ray line and receives the same signal that drives the serial port RTS line L.
the one on ebay was probably at least a circuit that logically should be done so '.
normally have 4-pin connectors of the ECU gnd Vbat KL, even for the machines is the same thing
on my pole for the former I have 3 gnd Vbat and K, and with a simple cable 9E bought in China can read the unit properly.

and here begins the cock: my 6-wire connector:
Red Vbat
Black gnd
K / L yellow brown (but do not understand is which of the 2 K)
Can-Can + gray green (you can 'understand X, which the tension at rest and 2.4V, exactly what the protocol can)

I've checked the oscilloscope signals coming out of the serial when I start the software Egas and find a signal on Tx 10.4kHz and a single 80ms INPULSES of DTR. supponco so that work on K / L and that DTR is used to drive the line L
for the remaining 2 wires can, probably in the cable seriale_pc / unit is not used
I made a cable that is logical at least to levels similar to what I linked before, but done with an RS232 transceiver and a language plus a discrete MOS to drive the line L.
put the scheme in the next post
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I added some jumpers and a series of NAND to have the ability to reconfigure and conbinazione signals, with these jumpers can combine the signals from tx and dtr, also receive the L line, but unfortunately does not work.
I tried all possible conbinazione signal and reverse the wires yellow and brown, but there's no way to get a dick.
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someone for this cock dicavo hands?

22:47
October 21, 2009


maypole

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I finally received the original cable. I tried it on Sunday with the laptop (and the cable rs232-usb) and even that did not work,

I thought: I know that I have disgraced the unit ..

and yet I scruple riprivato with an old desktop computer with a real serial port, and finally it works!
also could work with my cable, the cable does what he does Egas. I felt if I saved the first 50E.

for those with a sly injection unit Egas, these are the information you need to do x cable:
transmission is not in the standard of ISO9141 standard units, but is a mixture of language and RS232 transceiver (a crap)
black wire / red earth / Vbatteria
tx is the brown wire of the unit and goes on the x-ray of RS232
tx is the yellow wire and cable of RS232 tx goes on.
Ensure that both the voltage values ​​that are different between logic levels and RS232 control Egas:
Control logic 0 and logic 0 is Vbatt rs232 is-5V
1 logical unit is 0V and logic 1 is +5 V RS232
then with a max232 and 2 NMOS or NPN is trivial discrete
I hope that this information is useful to someone else must do the job

23:17
October 15, 2009


maypole

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I expected to touch ..

welding may be that the connector has given quanche esd too, though all interfaces x automotive theory should be strong to electrostatic discharge.

however, I found a dealer with a nice lazio website that sells kits and even x then turned my cable have also strangely private. (Ecosystemlazio)

I've already bought and paid for well-50E, is now a matter of principle.

I feel when I arrive and then unmount it and see how the heck you're done!


08:41
October 15, 2009


James

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In my opinion, you have disgraced the unit

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